Part 1
Interview With Father Marcel Guarnizo
By Kirsten Evans
VIENNA, Austria, 24 DEC. 2009 (ZENIT)
The fall of the Berlin Wall is arguably the most significant
event of the 20th century, says the director of an
educational foundation that seeks to create a new
intellectual culture in post-communist countries.
Father Marcel Guarnizo is founder and chairman of the
Vienna-based organization Educational Initiative for Central
and Eastern Europe (EICEE), which hosted a conference
earlier this month to mark the 20th anniversary of the fall
of the Berlin Wall, and to reflect on lessons learned from
the rise and fall of communism.
Cities the world over celebrated the Nov. 9 anniversary,
including Berlin who marked the event with open air
concerts, fireworks, and a chain of enormous dominos
toppling along the wall's original path.
EICEE hosted its conference in Zagreb, Croatia, and featured
speakers included Robin Harris, former advisor to Margaret
Thatcher, and John O'Sullivan, executive editor of Radio
Free Europe in Prague.
The keynote speaker was Noble Peace Prize Laureate Lech
Walesa, former leader of the Polish Solidarity Movement and
former president of Poland. Walesa's address was titled
"1989-2009: Lessons Learned from the Fall of Communism."
ZENIT recently caught up with Father Guarnizo at the
foundation's headquarters in the Castle Neuwaldegg in
Vienna, to talk about the conference, the significance of
the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the work of EICEE to
rebuild the nations of Central and Eastern Europe, which
were shackled under communist regimes only one generation
ago.
Part 2 of this interview will appear Friday
ZENIT: Father Guarnizo, you are a native of Columbia, but
were raised in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. In 2001, as a
young priest, you felt called to found the Educational
Initiative for Central and Eastern Europe. Could you explain
the mission of the organization, and the experiences that
inspired you to found it?
Guarnizo: In 1993, I went to Russia. The Berlin Wall, of
course, had fallen four years earlier. The Soviet Union had
only been officially dissolved two years earlier, on Dec.
25, 1991. I experienced a strong call to help rebuild the
Church in the post-communist world.
I began with another organization, Aid to the Church in
Russia, which dedicated itself to rebuilding churches in
Russia that had been desecrated during the regime. We were
able to rebuild quite a few Catholic churches in Russia. But
after about 10 years, I began to realize that rebuilding
churches was not going to be enough.
What was needed was a movement to create a new intellectual
culture in the post-communist countries of Central and
Eastern Europe.
So we expanded our mission beyond Russia to include all of
the countries of the former Soviet Union, to begin educating
them in principles of what we call "strengthening and
promoting free, just, and democratic societies."
For us that means economic freedom, political freedom, and
cultural freedom. The inspiration was that if you do not
have a sustainable culture that understands the principles
of democracy, you would never be able to build a free and
just society.
At Educational Initiative for Central and Eastern Europe we
do this largely through educational and public policy
initiatives, conferences, publications, humanitarian relief,
and networking youth, intellectuals, and political leaders
throughout the region.
ZENIT: EICEE recently hosted a conference in Zagreb,
Croatia, which gained media attention in Europe. Perhaps the
most celebrated moment of the conference was Lech Walesa's
personal reflections on lessons learned 20 years after the
downfall of communism in Central and Eastern Europe. Could
you summarize the main ideas that were shared?
Guarnizo: I want to begin by saying that at EICEE we felt it
was important to clearly mark the 20th anniversary of the
fall of the Berlin Wall, which symbolized the liberation of
so many people enslaved by communist regimes in Central and
Eastern Europe. It was perhaps the most important historical
event of the 20th century.
Yet surprisingly, the anniversary went largely unnoticed in
many parts of Central and Eastern Europe, and this is very
pre-occupying.
Unfortunately, today many of the young people in these
nations remain unaware of what actually happened. Because
they are too young to have lived under communism, they do
not understand its dimensions. And older generations, with
the determination to move on, do not like to talk about it.
We invited people who played a role in the fall of communism
to discuss the lessons learned from a historical
perspective. We wanted to shed light both on what happened,
as well as on lessons that can be learned for the future. We
were pleased we got such a strong response and attendance.
I would say that having Lech Walesa there was a great
privilege and I am grateful that he accepted our invitation.
He emphasized the role of creative minorities. In other
words, what a few determined people can do to create
substantial change. In his case, it was the downfall of the
Soviet Union. The cumulative efforts of key players in
different parts of the world, namely Reagan, Thatcher, Lech
Walesa's Solidarity Movement, and a Polish Pope, changed
world history. This just goes to show that you never know
how great the impact a creative minority can have.
This is a sign of great hope for future generations,
reminding them that they have to be involved, that they have
to be active. There is a lot of despair today about the
political order in Central and Eastern Europe and we are
trying to inspire young people to be involved and stay
involved.
ZENIT: You mentioned the role of the youth in the future of
these nations. Did Lech Walesa articulate any "lessons
learned" that would be particularly important for the
younger generations of these nations?
Guarnizo: All of the lessons of communism are important for
the youth of these nations to take to heart. But if one
thing were to come to mind, he spoke of the incredible
courage needed for a few people to stand up for what they
know to be true and right, even if it means going against
adversity and deeply entrenched systems and cultures. This
is kind of moral courage is not easy to come by.
And it is something needed not only in central and eastern
Europe, but also in the west
— the moral courage to lead and to defend the culture
of the west. I think the West is committing intellectual and
cultural suicide at present. We are terribly afraid of
recognizing the importance of preserving our own Western
civilization, of acknowledging our Christian roots, which is
a undeniable fact of history. Walesa emphasized the
importance of moral courage in order to defend culture.
He also emphasized the importance of ideas, such as the idea
that man was created free and it is impossible to enslave
man forever.
There has been a great rewriting of history as to why the
Berlin Wall fell and why communism was overcome in Europe,
reducing the course of events to merely the failure of an
economic system. It is important to realize that communism
was not overthrown simply because of a need for economic
reform.
For instance, people standing in front of tanks in Tiananmen
Square do not do so because of a simple desire for economic
reforms. These are men and women who believe in justice and
in their own right to freedom and the rights of their
children, and they are willing to pay a very high price in
pursuit of these rights.
The religious, political, and cultural freedom that the
youth of these countries enjoy today was won by the
generations that went before them, and at a very high price.
This is a very important lesson to never lose sight of.
By Kirsten Evans
VIENNA, Austria, 25 DEC. 2009 (ZENIT)
There are good ideas, and there are bad ideas. For the director
of an educational foundation that seeks to create a new
intellectual culture in post-communist countries, communism was
a bad idea.
Father Marcel Guarnizo is founder and chairman of the
Vienna-based organization Educational Initiative for Central and
Eastern Europe (EICEE), which hosted a conference earlier this
month to mark the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin
Wall, and to reflect on lessons learned from the rise and fall
of communism.
EICEE hosted its conference in Zagreb, Croatia, and featured
speakers included Robin Harris, former advisor to Margaret
Thatcher, and John O'Sullivan, executive editor of Radio Free
Europe in Prague.
The keynote speaker was Noble Peace Prize Laureate Lech
Walesa, former leader of the Polish Solidarity Movement and
former president of Poland. Walesa's address was titled
"1989-2009: Lessons Learned from the Fall of Communism."
ZENIT recently caught up with Father Guarnizo at the
foundation's headquarters in the Castle Neuwaldegg in Vienna, to
talk about the conference, the role of the Church in the demise
of communism in Europe, as well as the biggest challenges facing
EICEE in its efforts to rebuild the nations of Central and
Eastern Europe, which were shackled under communist regimes only
one generation ago.
Part 1 of this interview appeared Thursday.
ZENIT: Did Lech Walesa mention the role of the Catholic
Church in the demise of the communist regime of the Soviet Union
in Russia and Europe?
Guarnizo: Yes, Walesa absolutely spoke of the role of the
Catholic Church in the ruin of the Soviet Union. This is
something that was universally recognized by all historians of
the time, yet was not mentioned by any of the speakers at the
20th anniversary celebrations in Berlin earlier this year.
Walsea insisted that without the Catholic Church it would have
been impossible for Solidarity to survive, which of course
became one of the central social impetuses that eroded the
authority of the communist regime.
Walesa also emphasized his personal faith, and his strong
conviction that divine providence played a tremendous role in
the fall of communist Europe in the 20th century.
ZENIT: As the founder and chairman of EICEE, what have been
the biggest challenges you have run into while pursuing the
mission to promote principles of free, just and democratic
societies in post-communist Europe?
Guarnizo: I think the biggest challenge was that nobody was
really doing this before us. So it was a pioneering effort, and
it was unique because we were trying to create the largest
network in Central and Eastern Europe that would be concerned
with creating intellectual and cultural foundations for the new
generation.
The second challenge was that communism had destroyed pretty
much everything. It had destroyed the intellectual class, the
cultural foundations, the morals, the economics, and the
politics of these nations.
Thirdly, it is such a vast territory; so many different
languages, so many different cultures. In the beginning we were
just trying to figure out how we would create the necessary
network to promote this kind of education.
ZENIT: Could you describe some of the landmark events in
these first nine years of EICEE's mission?
Guarnizo: Establishing a network which currently has eight
offices operating in different countries: Austria, Bulgaria,
Macedonia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Croatia, and
Washington DC, has been a landmark in itself.
The second landmark would be training and working with
leaders in the political, economic, and cultural order. It is
not easy to establish a serious intellectual position, making
yourself a voice of reason in many of the debates taking place
in Central and Eastern Europe. We are grateful we have been able
to accomplish this.
We are also grateful to count on the support of so many
people who are vital to that part of the world. Former heads of
state, like President Vaclav Havel of the Czech Republic, Former
Prime Minister Mart Laar who was the first prime minister after
the fall of communism in Estonia, and former Slovak Prime
Minister Jan Carnogursky, and other political and cultural
leaders.
It is wonderful to have so many people behind us in an effort
that is so needed, and which answers the call of Benedict XVI to
drive these principles back into the cultures of nations.
ZENIT: You mentioned Benedict XVI. What is the relationship
between the organization and the Church itself?
Guarnizo: The organization is non-denominational, but it is
the role of the Church to be involved in helping to establish
and promote principles that can sustain free democracies.
Benedict XVI has pointed out on many occasions that it is the
role of the Church to safeguard right reason. This is true not
only of religion, but also of all sciences, including the
sciences that are fundamental to democracy: namely, economics,
politics, and the cultural blocks of democracy.
We desperately need to do this in Central and Eastern Europe
because while many of these countries have transitioned toward
free societies, the problems and legacy of communism have
continued.
If we do not educate the next generations of these nations,
they will never understand what exactly made communism so
destructive, and what needs to be done to do to secure free,
just and democratic societies.
ZENIT: In your experience, what was at the core of the
communist doctrine in Central and Eastern Europe that proved to
be so destructive in the 20th century?
Guarnizo: There is a great part of the West that believes
that the notion of instituting democracy and establishing free
societies has only to do with free market economics and perhaps
free elections or political freedom.
But the reality is that the problem of communist atheism was
actually a philosophical anthropological problem, as Pope John
Paul II said. It was an anthropological error
—
the materialist vision of man that allowed them to treat man as
raw material and therefore socially engineer societies. The
economic disaster that followed was simply the consequence of
the wrong vision of mankind.
This problem is what leads to totalitarian regimes in other
parts of the world. The lack of respect for the dignity of the
human person, a lack of understanding of who the human person
is, and false understandings as to why he needs political,
cultural, and economic freedom.
But this can also happen in a democracy. It is good to
remember that Hitler was elected democratically. Hamas was
elected democratically in Palestine, as well. As Benedict XVI
has many times said, even a democracy without values can easily
slide into tyranny. Democracy without philosophically sound
principles runs the risk of becoming dangerous and enslaving.
Our foundation is absolutely convinced that ideas have
consequences. Bad ideas in the 20th century killed more people
than in the first 1,900 years of Christianity, and we had more
Christian martyrs in the 20th century than all other centuries
combined. This is because bad ideas have consequences, just like
good ones do.
I have argued for many years that the goal of bringing down
the Wall was not simply the goal of bringing down the Soviet
Union, but to actually convert hearts and minds to a new
society, a free society, and a just society.
After attaining freedom at such a cost, we have a moral duty
to do something to help new generations maintain and prosper in
their freedom.
We are fighting to create a new intellectual generation who
understand this, so that when they act, they act in accordance
with right reason and sound principles.
But for us, one generation after the fall of the Berlin Wall,
this is the only way I think we will be able to secure a future
for these nations for generations to come.